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vrijdag 4 april 2014

Adriana Koulias in reacties op haar artikel over Judith von Halle


Op een andere website (dd 4-4-2014)  is en artikel geplaatst van Adriana Koulias over Judith von Halle. Dit artikel is in een besloten facebookgroep geplaatst. Er zijn erg veel reacties daarop gekomen (engels) ik kan ze hier wegens ruimtegebrek niet allemaal kopiëren, maar ik licht alleen enkele reacties van Adriana zelf eruit. De mensen die alles in context willen lezen wordt toch verwezen naar de betreffende website.

Dear friends, until now I have kept rather quiet about Judith Von Halle and her work because I have been doing my own independent research trying to understand her condition and her destiny and, though I feel a deep compassion for her, I have come to these conclusions, which I would like to share with you at this time because of recent attacks on Sergei Prokofieff by supporters of Judith Von Halle here on Facebook and also outside in the wider world.
In my independent estimation, Sergei Prokofieff is correct in his conclusions about Judith von Halle's work. Her work is not Anthroposophical in its very essence and in many ways it is counter Anthroposophical and I will now give some indications why, here, which I will hopefully be in a position to elaborate in the future. This is therefore a work in progress.
This is my overarching view:
Anthroposophy as it was given to the world by Rudolf Steiner, can be grasped by a healthy, sound intellect and reasoning as he says, and there is a reason for this. It is because its roots lie in clear thinking which has become transformed into spirit vision. It is, for this reason, not subjective but it is in its very essence, objective.
What is subjectivity and objectivity in esoteric terms?
Firstly, a subjective spiritual experience occurs when there is an entering into the physical organs to experience the spiritual world - physical lungs, kidneys, stomach etc -in effect the will. In the past, this inner sentience that used a physical organ as a window into the spirit was a legitimate way for accessing the spiritual world because the intellect was not yet formed. Initiations were conducted by a priest dulling the consciousness of an acolyte allowing the acolyte to descend into the underworld, into his organs. Mediumistic experiences, hypnotism, mesmerism are a relic of this past initiation method and they all rely on old soul forces which are in decline since the advent of the clear thought and particularly since the advent of the consciousness of modern times, which would have our will light up in us as a conscious experience.
The dangers of using such methods which lower the consciousness are based on the fact that any dulling of consciousness is immediately seized by adversarial powers. We must not mistake a dulled consciousness for unconsciousness - one may be experiencing a dullness while thinking one is completely awake - television and movies computer games etc all create conditions for a dulled consciousness - in this case the visions are created for us. The adversarial powers basically tear away these unconscious visions we create or others create for us - and with them parts of our soul are taken away to expand their 'eighth sphere'.
That is the danger.
One can always tell these visions from true visions because of their very strong connection to the physical world. They are bright visions which are usually like a mirror image of the world - they resemble the physical world. This is so because the one having the visions has them by using a physical organ. In JVH's case organs of digestion used as organs for visionary clairvoyance, may become unable to do their normal work - hence one is unable to digest food. This is far more complicated but I don't have time to go into it all here.
According to Rudolf Steiner visionary experiences along these lines come from an abnormal and diseased connection of the physical body to the etheric body - a binding of the etheric body with the physical body in which the Astral body participates as far as the Sentient soul, but not the conscious ego in the intellect.
Hence the stigmata. The binding of etheric and physical.
An objective clairvoyant experience on the other hand occurs when there is a loosening of the etheric body, the light body, away from the physical body and a binding of the soul (astral body) in the sense of a controlling it by the conscious ego. The ego is always in the physical body awake, during true visions, while the astral organs enable the etheric body to push out of the self into the world to experience the spirit. That is why this is called objective.
These visions of the spiritual world are, for this reason, less spectacular, and they are usually 'complements' of the physical world not mirrors. That is how one can tell a true spiritual experience from a visionary experience. A person who sees the spiritual world in this way is always FULLY awake in their thinking and connected to all their physical sense impressions but added to these are higher ones. And since the true experience is not connected with a person's diseased physical organs but a spiritual organ created from the spiritualisation of thinking they are capable of verification by using clear thinking.
The differences are then:
Visionary clairvoyance relies on an entering of a dulled ego consciousness into a diseased physical organ. This happens because the organ has formed an abnormal alliance with the soul. This is subjective because the dulled consciousness cannot discern what belongs to the soul (desires etc) and what belongs to the spiritual world. This atavistic visionary capability requires no moral training. It cannot be penetrated by clear thinking because no thinking is required in order to have it, rather the will is seized by a dull consciousness. For this reason its descriptions can, if we try to pierce them with clear thought, make us uncomfortable.
True modern clairvoyance occurs when the consciousness is lifted out of the physical organs while still maintaining an ego consciousness in the physical body. This is objective because one can discern what belongs to the self and what belongs to the spiritual world by the time one has achieved clairvoyance through this method since it requires a level of conscious moral training. These experiences can be penetrated by using clear thinking because they come by way of a spiritualisation of thinking.
As Anthroposophy is a way to achieving a consciousness of the spirit by way of the second approach - the objective approach, one can see that the former, subjective approach is counter to what Anthroposophy teaches.
I have come to these conclusions quite independently and I rely on no outer authority, but my own spiritual work and investigations and I offer them insofar as they might stimulate your thinking to find its own conclusions.
I also feel a great compassion for JVH. The most terrible thing in all of this is that some Anthroposophists have, unfortunately, taken a diseased past state and confused it with a healthy future state and compounded her illness. This sad situation has led to a grave danger not only for JVH but for Anthroposophy should it be associated with her visions, because such an association might lead to the seizure of the soul of the inspiring being of Anthroposophy by the adversarial powers which can then be taken to the 8th Sphere.
Sergei O Prokofieff is quite right in equating the inspiration for such visionary clairvoyance with black magic, because it works below the level of consciousness in those who become bedazzled by it.
JVH and her supporters certainly have a right to express themselves in the world, but in my estimation not as Anthroposophists.
If you read the lectures below you will see how there this danger is clearly outlined by Rudolf Steiner himself.
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA254/English/RSP1973/19151010p01.html


Adriana Koulias I have met Sergei O Prokofieff but not JVH as yet. But meeting them is not necessary as one can penetrate into the spirit of a person through their work - sometimes this is more accurate in our estimation of the work.


Adriana Koulias One could say that Robin, that everything in the world presents us with the opportunity to grow. Of course there is a reason JVH has been treated as a priestess in the first place. Had more consciousness existed her condition would have been understood from the outset and this highlights the problem very well. My concern is, why was there not more consciousness and solidarity and leadership among the leaders of Anthropsoophy? Perhaps they fear being thought of as intolerant. But the important point is that one can have compassion for the human being who is sick - but one does not have to climb into bed with them! Far better to help them to get out of bed!

Adriana Koulias Yes Chris, we help JVH, by recognising her illness for what it is. There is no question in my mind she is having visions, but her judgement about the nature of these visions is impaired because they come from a diseased state. This means that the visions mostly arise as a mirror of bodily processes connected to the diseased organ and not to purely spiritual realities. The trouble comes when subjective experience becomes something people connect to the objective truth when it is far from it. It presents a materialistic view of the spirit and moreover research conducted in such a manner is always flawed. I have spoken out in the interest of JVH herself and all those who may be harmed by what she brings and this includes Anthroposophia herself.

Adriana Koulias Everyone should come to their own conclusions and understandings. I don't say judgements, but understandings. These are my conclusions and understandings after pondering this situation for many years and allowing the truth in the 'things themselves' to speak without any sympathy or antipathy. Perhaps this is what comes from living so far away from it all. Perhaps I would find it more difficult if I were living in Dornach.

Adriana Koulias Yes Muzungu, If the 6 basic exercises are followed then one can work - not out of sympathies, and antipathies, not out of confused, dulled thinking or a weak will, but out of a clear insight into the human being with compassion and understanding and in harmony - and yet with clarity.

There is no question of validation. In the above words I did not invalidate JVH and it has nothing to do with Anthroposophical credentials at all, I just do not see her work as Anthroposophical for the reasons I stated. Anthroposophy is a path to the spiritual world through a transformation of thinking. Therein lies the difference. 

After all, these are my findings after many years of questioning. Perhaps you will take up the task for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Self-Science yes...and self science should be balanced by an interest in the world and in others - otherwise it becomes self-service! 

Adriana Koulias Dear Piero agreement is never required, I leave all free to have their own thoughts. Thank you for yours. I have taken 10 years to come to this conclusion. I am not inflexible, but I have waited, keeping myself quite neutral, this long, for a confirmation of my thoughts and having received it I have shared it and now it is up to each to do the same for the sake of Anthroposophy.

Adriana Koulias In the final analysis I'm not saying that her visions do not have some aspects of truth. Visions often do, but the problem with such visions is that only those who have experienced these events she mentions in the right way, can tell the objective reality from the subjective delusion in her work and this makes her work dangerous not only for her but for those who don't investigate her work themselves and take it on her authority because of 'stigmata' and her disclosure of her previous lives etc.I had a similar feeling when I investigated Catherine Emmerich's work when writing The Fifth Gospel. I could not find a sure footing in her work either. Interestingly Rudolf Steiner never mentions Catherine Emmerich, who was a contemporary, one would imagine he would have done so if there was merit in what she was sharing.


Adriana Koulias Willem in Christian Initiation of modern times, one experiences feelings in the physical body in the place of the nails but these feelings soon disappear, they do not manifest (in our times) as stigmata unless there has been too close a connection between the etheric body and the physical body. The stress should not be laid on the physical manifestation as this is a materialistic desire to see spirit in the world of matter, rather than to loosen the etheric body from the physical body, in order to see the spirit in the world of spirit. 

Hello Mark, it is interesting you should mention the Judaic stream because I feel JVH is closely connected to its old workings - just note how close JVH is to JHV (Jehova) - and you will see what I mean. This is not a judgement, it is an observation.

Adriana Koulias I would like to add that I am not invalidating JVH - A Christian initiation as a throw back from former times is not the question here. It does exist and has its place in the scheme of things, but in Anthroposophy the mystical inner experience (once natural for those in the middle ages) is transformed into an outer Alchemical one. This is the crux of Anthroposophy, quite objectively speaking. 

There is no question that JVH is experiencing a form of Christian Initiation, not in my mind at least, but one can say that it is not Anthroposophical in the sense that it is a mystical experience that cannot be verified with clear thinking (heart thinking is not what most people think it is, in heart thinking the feelings are consciously transformed into organs of Intuitive cognition - quite selfless and not emotive in the sense of sympathies or antipathies). As I said, JVH's experiences can only be verified therefore, by a clairvoyant capable of accessing the same spiritual world with clear vision. 

For this reason, it is dangerous and not in line with Anthroposophy. That does not mean it is not valid in other contexts - but not in an Anthroposophical one. That is the point I'm making.

In this sense, there really is no argument between the western and eastern masters - they understand enough to know that what is appropriate in one context is not appropriate in another. 

The concern here is that if one cannot verify JVH's visionary clairvoyance with clear thought and one takes her work into oneself anyway, one is risking the pictures she gives becoming seized by Ahriman and Lucifer.

I have no quibble with JVH. I have met with Robert Powell and discussed this matter over 5 hours. I have allowed the matter to live in me for 10 years without commenting. After writing Fifth Gospel a Novel and the research necessary for it I asked the question and it has taken many years for me to come to the above observations.

One must be clear about what is Anthroposophy and what isn't, that is all. Leaving it open does has not change the facts in my mind but I would urge a strenuous scrutiny of the work in question and a pondering - asking the question yourselves. 

I am not privy to Sergei's thoughts as I have not discussed it with him and have not read his books yet. Wishing to find my own way to this mystery without prejudice. I can see however why it concerns him so much. One merely has to understand the grave dangers connected to this form of working to wish to do something to help.

  • Adriana Koulias Dear Eliah, my work is 'Fictional' for a reason. I don't purport, nor state that my work comes from 'visions'. This in itself is a way of controlling people to follow you on authority. People can take my books or leave them. By now many should know me, I am not condemning, just making an observation. I know I have stepped out onto a scaffold and that a noose may well be placed around my neck! I know that by speaking about my observations (how did Anthroposophy become so unfree!) I may be incurring a terrible backlash from certain inquisitorial sections of the Anthroposophical Society, but I felt a need to share with you my work on this. I have been known to stand in front of trucks before, but I won't do it unless I feel there is a need and the need is strong enough. Having said that dear Eliah, I have enough faith in Anthroposophists to trust that they can read my impartiality in my words and my desire not to judge but to share my observations. I do not denounce JVH - I merely state that her work does not fit in the context of Anthroposophy. Having said that I leave everyone free to work that out for themselves! 
  • Adriana Koulias You know Joseph, Rudolf Steiner had to work very hard to eliminate this form of working which infiltrated Anthroposophy with the migration of Theosophists. He knew how divisive it could be! The important point here is not to quibble as to whether her visions are valid or not, but to explore what is Anthroposophy in its most exalted sense and take a start from that. There is no judgement about other methods. They all have their place. There is really only a question of what is Anthroposophy and what isn't Anthroposophy. Just like we might say - what is a dissiduous tree and what is a perennial tree - there is no sympathy or antipathy attached to observing both trees - only an observation that one is different than the other. When you see passions flaring it is a certain sign that people are not thinking clearly. There is a lot of fear surrounding speaking out. A lot of people won't speak their minds for fear of retribution. JVH has a right to speak about her visions publicly, but others also have a right to make their own independent observations. if we treated these things with less passion and with a more scientific outlook, there would be no argument here.
  • Adriana Koulias Thank you Eliah for your thoughts. But as I have not read Sergei's books I cannot speak about attacks. All I can say is that 'attack' is not a gesture I associate with Sergei. He is a clear thinking individual, who does not display, to my knowledge, any sympathies or antipathies in his work, but rather speaks out of a scientific outlook, which leaves one free - hence the fact that people can disagree with him! I find the seductive ( to me) and descriptive nature of JVH's work does not fit with my Understanding of what Anthroposophy is, in the sense that Anthroposophy does not 'compel'. The Jesuit way of seeing the world is what comes immediately to mind when I read her work - I'm sorry to say. But this is just my observation. I have waited for ten years to see if this might change. I have given it a lot of thought and tried to be independent. As I say I don't invalidate her experiences, I just say that the method of working should be something she would be looking to overcome. The stigmata in Christian initiation does willingly appear as it is a part of the process of initiation in the most exemplary aspect of the initiation - as red marks (according to Rudolf Steiner), but the consciousness of it only extends to the sentient soul - feelings not the intellect. It is even less conscious if it occurs unwillingly. Having said that It could be overcome (if karma allows) by following certain exercises to loosen the etheric body and to strengthen the ego...but people who have set out on such a path are usually happy to stay in it, particularly when others have invested the path with so much credence.

    Knowing that this process that JVH is undergoing is karmic and individual and not necessarily universal, is the key here. It is not the sign of a Great Initiate in my humble opinion, but of one overcoming a difficult and painful karma. The unlawfulness is merely in the lack of discernment by Anthroposophists as to what Anthroposophy actually is!
  • Adriana Koulias I leave all free to make up their own minds, take what I say only as a question...not an answer. I am not infallible. I am no authority. I am merely a person making an observation. I am prepared for the possibility that I might be wrong. But after 10 years, I wanted to bring my thoughts to you, relying on your good will and common sense and the deep respect that I feel for the community that I have entered into here on FB. All I ask is that we become more consciously aware, that we participate with full consciousness in what she brings - that in itself is a safeguard against ill effects.
  • Adriana Koulias Hi Frank! I only say I agree with SO Prokofieff because I have come to the same conclusions without reading his work on the matter - and I believe this is independent and free. This to me is something that is of importance. As I have not met JVH and have no sympathies or antipathies relating to her person I can only make any observations in relation to the gesture I sense in her life and work - studying it as say one might study a historic personality. I set out to understand if what she brings is Anthroposophical and I feel i have answered that question for myself. I feel however that at the moment it is those who come out in support of what Prokofieff is saying who find themselves in the same position as those who are defending JVH are speaking out against. The dogma can also be seen from another side, my friend, in the sense that there seems to be a passionate defence of JVH without much understanding or even close scrutiny of her work - making it a dogma. 

    As I said, I don't judge the person, I observe the work - and in a sense I am fortunate that a meeting with her could not be arranged before I came to my conclusions about her work. For the work cannot be disassociated from the person who did it and in a sense it is a far better indicator of the individual than the personality.

    What I share is not from a desire to defend Prokofieff - after all I have had 10 years to do it, though I have a great and deep respect for him. I mention it so that the question is raised so that her work can be read and experienced critically with a clear mind. I am calling for an objective and impartial study of her methods and work in connection with Anthroposophy - not of her value as a human being.

    I wish her all the best. I have no reason to dislike her and I don't come from a position of antipathy. I simply don't believe her work belongs in Anthroposophy. That is all. But I do know that stating this, in the unfree atmosphere which has become the society is perhaps a dangerous thing! So be it.
  • Adriana Koulias Dear Michael this is the interesting aspect to this debate. Why is discernment equated with judgement when they occur in different aspects of the soul? Judgement lives in the intellect, while discernment lives in the consciousness of the entire soul. For this reason one cannot discern without feeling deep compassion, and a deep feeling of conscience. Discernment is painful and it requires a great deal of humility so that one does not project one's own self onto others. That is why, it has taken me 10 years to be clear about how I feel on this matter. That is not to say that I am infallible or that anyone should take my words on authority - quite the opposite. It is merely what I have come to out of my own work - for what that's worth. A rigorous debate is what is required, but one that is clear and dispassionate in relation to the 'work' and methods in question. Compassion and love is reserved for the individual who has written the work.


Adriana Koulias This is a very good question Clara and very pertinent. The sense that I use black magic in, is this: Anything that works on the subconscious will of another: coercion, suggestion, symbolism etc for personal gain can be seen to be 'black magic' - as opposed to 'White magic' which is a conscious experience of the spirit. There are many levels in between - and these are called 'grey' magic - where the use of subconscious 'coercion', symbolism, suggestion, is done not out of a desire for personal gain but for the good of the world - another human being. This is questionable but not altogether 'black'. In a sense Black Magic is how cults work - that is by accessing the will and leaving a person unfree therefore to use their conscious faculties to make a discernment but using the feeling life, the fear, the desires etc.

In this sense much we experience in everyday life can be thought of being inspired by varying degrees of black magic: advertising, television, movies, slogans, symbols, words used in such a way that they evoke a feeling, but not a conscious understanding such as the symbols used on cars and the names of running shoes - Nike for instance. These things make people buy them without understanding why they feel they want to. We could even say that the aromatic candles used in homeware shops are a form of black magic as they induce a 'mood'. Music too can be a culprit. 

So saying 'Black Magic' does not necessarily involve a number of magicians sitting around a circle with intuition - though a number of people sitting around thinking bad thoughts about a person can certainly cause, if they have spiritual knowledge, a person to become quite sick. In the sense that I mention it here it is what works in us in a way we can't quite discern. 

For instance if I say to you that I have seen an angel, this immediately makes a picture in your soul. If I have seen the angel through having used a transformed thinking activity, my recounting it to you leaves you free. Why? Because thinking being at the root of my experience, connects my spiritualised thoughts immediately to your thinking life. You are free then to make a judgement for yourself whether to believe me or not, or to dispute something that I have described - the truth in what I speak does not compel.

My transformed thinking lights up in you as a thought which does not compel you. 

If my perception has been through the feeling life or sentience, this is not a pure experience but mixed with my being, my soul my wishes and wants and desires - they are tied not only to who I am in this life but what I have been in previous ones. It is subjective. This is often very difficult to discern in oneself, let alone for others to discern. This 'picture' connects immediately to the feeling life of others and bypasses the thinking - they make one feel a certain way. This seizes the emotions, the needs and wants, the very soul of the listener and so it does not leave them free. My feelings evoke in them a picture which accesses the will.

Feeling is the best way to access the will. Just imagine how many people see an add for a burger and then feel hungry. They forget the add and go to the kitchen - despite just having dinner! In a sense this is a form of black magic - mesmerisation, hypnotism.

JVH's visions by her own admission have a 'real' quality to them. They are sensory experiences according to her - in other words, they are not purely spiritual (one should experience the spiritual world with the physical world together - but the spiritual world is a complement of the physical world - where there is light there is shadow, where there is form there is emptiness, colours are rainbow-like, etc...etc...)

So in my experience her visions enter directly into the feeling life of the soul bypassing the thinking. When one tries to apply thinking then to them - NOT- feeling, one cannot penetrate to their truth - one senses a barrier.

Only one who has clairvoyance is able to use this clairvoyance to attempt to pierce such a picture - to confirm it or confirm how much of it is true and how much is semblance. For this reason, if these things are taken purely on authority they are dangerous because if one just allows these pictures to enter in without thinking - these are seized by Adversarial powers according to Rudolf Steiner.

Such things do not need to have a material gain to be black magic - they can have a spiritual gain, that is beyond the knowledge of the one who is experiencing the visions.

These are grave matters indeed. Consciousness is required, not merely a defence for defence's sake.

  • Adriana Koulias A true initiate of the 'white' path will always speak about experiences in such a way that it leaves the soul of the listener free - by always describing what they experience in such a way that it appeals to the thinking life and does try to access the emotional life. We need only take a look at Hitler and his speeches to see how easily one can whip up a group of people by accessing exactly what lives in their souls - desires, antipathies and sympathies. 

    In contradistinction Rudolf Steiner tried to make his lectures as dry and scientific as possible. His words are not emotive but they are living - there is a difference! They come through a transformation of the thinking life and so what he says does not compel and it therefore does not harm. One person can be very inspired by it, while another will call it dry and prosaic. It leaves those who are not ready to hear what he says - free.
  • Adriana Koulias So saying, I'm not attacking JVH as a black magician but rather observing that the way in which she works - because one cannot apply one's thinking faculties to it, and must rely, if one is not clairvoyant, on her descriptions - is dangerous and works in the same way that black magic works because it can enter into the soul in an dull way and it compels - that is why there is so much passion surrounding her defence.

    Where those who agree with Prokofieff, seem to do so out of a clear personal individual study of the matter - his work does not compel one to a passionate defence of it - except perhaps to rally against it intellectually, which in itself shows how his work leaves one free to decide.


  • Adriana Koulias Higher feeling is inspiration, you are quite right, but it is feeling which has become conscious or one could say - supra-conscious. The lower feeling life is like a dream it is an instinctive life - like that of animals. They don't 'think', they have instincts and feelings but thinking critically is not possible.

    All I can speak to is my own experience of trying to penetrate her methods - her visions are like a dream that is both semblance and a skewed reality - but which does not appeal to my clear thoughts - I don't see that what she says always appeals to my common sense, my ability to reason. 

    Yes, compassion is very different from passion. Compassion brings about unity, it is full of love and understanding.

    One can feel a great compassion for someone only when one understands them and when one has become one with them - in this way one can also know how far a person is from the truth, and yet still love them as human beings. 

    Passion is subject to control, when expressed outwardly to incite it is a way to sway the thinking life by way of the instinctive life. 

    There is no questioning.

    These things lived in my soul for a long time: Why so much passion for JVH as a person? Why such impassioned defence against any clear observations of her methods? Why can clear thinking not be applied to her work without meeting a barrier - that is a point at which one has to take it on faith? Why does one expect a passionate backlash from her supporters (some only use her to vent their own feelings about the society) if one is at variance with what she brings? Why are her experiences 'sensory' ones - mirrors of the world, densely real? Why does she speak of her former incarnations when an initiate would not do so? Why do people vie to grab a glass she has drunk from to keep as a relic? Why the body guards? Why the fear of assassination and the strange CIA like tactics to evade it? Why the mood of suffering and not of joy? Why the DRAMA!
  • Adriana Koulias In the end. It is up to everyone to read her work and to discern for themselves if the thinking life can be applied to it adequately or if you are left having to take much on 'blind faith.' One has to try not to be swayed by feeling, which it evokes, but simply live with the pictures for a time - sometimes ten years - before one can discern what is living in them.


Adriana Koulias I don't know, Robin, I can't make a judgement about it. But I do have a deep compassion for her karma. It certainly is not an easy one and it is not made any easier when her work is not taken up consciously. It only creates further karma and this also concerns me.


Adriana Koulias I would love to know where that quote comes from Richard as I could not find it myself some years ago when I was writing Fifth Gospel - a Novel. 

The important point is my friends, that a somnambulist, that is a person who walks in their sleep, is not fully conscious and although a somnambulist may indeed see many things that are correct among things that are not, this can only be discerned by a person like Rudolf Steiner, with a very highly developed clairvoyant ability. It is therefore, not to be relied upon as the intellect can't be used in order to find the root 'truths'. That is the point also with JVH.

Dear Eunice, you illustrated my point exactly. Who am I to discern the rightness or wrongness of JVH? I should not need to have clairvoyant capacities to find the truth in her work, if she was working Anthroposophically, because she would be using 'clear thinking as a foundation, and not feelings. In our day, one should not 'teach' out of feelings because this is unfree.

So how do I discern? Do I have special capacities? This is irrelevant. I should be able to penetrate her work without special capacities. That is how Rudolf Steiner taught, remember? He always said a healthy common sense is all that is needed. 

What everyone needs to do is read her work to see if they can penetrate it with healthy common sense.

Special capacities would be able to discern how true her work is and where she is not seeing clearly and mixing up her own inner mirrored life with reality.

If we all tried to obtain such capacities then one could extract the good out of JVH's work and not idolise her but see her work for what it truly is, and one would never confuse it with Anthroposophy. 

Like CE - I believe Rudolf Steiner would say something similar bout JVH - but then if CE tried to convince Anthroposophists that what she was doing was Anthroposophical I believe he would have had other things to say about it.

Let us not confuse the issue dear friends - Anthroposophy is a different path.


Adriana Koulias The difference here is in discerning what is completely new, from what is completely old and mixed with some aspects of the new. This requires a rigorous understanding and study. Subtleties in the physical world, can lead to great errors. Each person is responsible for their own estimation and understanding and discerning. The trouble is, not many do the work that is necessary for such a discernment, and that is why Anthroposophical truths should appeal to the thinking life. I am a Platonist, I know this from the inside out.

Adriana Koulias Dear Nesta in answer to your question, this is what Rudolf Steiner says: 'The etheric body must be revitalised, and this is connected with the new revelation of Christ. When the etheric body is re-vitalised, man finds Christ. But, as you see, it is essential that this vitalising of the etheric body shall take place.' He then speaks of coming to the spiritual world from inside out as the new form of perception and he characterises how Goethe expressed it beautifully in the story of a woman who experienced the spiritual world as an outer living with the cosmos, a perception of two suns one inner and the other outer. Worth a look:


Adriana Koulias Here is something that is very important about what happens when mistakes in spiritual investigations are made and they live in human beings - across the spiritual world they are a reality.
Hence the rigorousness which must be applied to such communications, not only by the one doing the communication but also by the one receiving it!

'Most obvious of all was the inaccuracy of the statements purporting to give information about the life between death and a new birth. But whereas on the physical plane, false results of investigation can be rectified by testing them with physical means which make their inaccuracy immediately evident, it is of course quite another matter when things of the spiritual worlds are involved. In the spiritual worlds, the existence of a false, erroneous conception of the real facts is confusing for investigation itself. If, then, through mediums, statements had been made which were not communications from the dead at all, but deliberately inspired by living persons with every kind of bias, these results of what purported to be investigation were in existence. They confront one, and if one is trying to verify things in this domain one has to battle with these results of investigation as actual powers. Anything that is said on the physical plane can be refuted; one sits down at the writing-table and refutes it. But a false result of investigation in the spiritual world is a living reality: it is there and one has to battle with it, do away with it.
Just as thoughts are living realities, false results of investigation are real powers which are there directly one crosses the Threshold of the spiritual world. One enters the spiritual world with the endeavour to bring to light knowledge of the life between death and a new birth; but now the false thoughts that have been produced stand there as living beings before one. To begin with, they give the appearance of truth, of reality. Hence one has first to battle with them, to test them, in order to discover whether they have the attributes of untrue thoughts, or the attributes of true and really living thoughts.' Rudolf Steiner.






Adriana Koulias As a writer, I know exactly what those imaginations are like - they are fantasy and they help us to create artistically, which is a boon to the world as long as we make no bones about them coming from the fantasy life which is mixed with our own personal experiences. Fiction for instance is fantasy and it is an art form like any other. If fantasy is based on truth it is helpful in the sense of say fairy tales - they bring a health to the soul. Goethe interestingly wrote fairy tales and also worked scientifically phenomenologically. One must be able to make a distinction between experiences of the spiritual world - scientifically speaking - which uses the etheric body, astral body in a conscious and free way as organs of perception, and their representations in fairy tales and stories in the artistic sense, which can enliven the etheric body of others while still leaving them free - because they are Fiction.

Adriana Koulias I recognise what she sees because one needs such a faculty to write fiction! Gibson used Catherine Emmerich as a guide so one can see it in his images - and as a work of fiction it is very good! I have seen much truth in it - but mixed also with subjectivity. I can see much of what I write that way too if I choose, like a movie - mirror images - these are fantasies based on real events because I write historic fiction - but fantasies nonetheless and so subjective! That is what makes a writer of fiction! But I am conscious of it and I am not deluded into thinking I am seeing objective truths.. I would not use this fantasy creation ability to express clear facts devoid of subjectivity as one does in a lecture - where those who listen are taking what you say to be an experienced and clear truth. In my lectures, for instance I only ever speak out of the life of thinking.

Adriana Koulias It is important to consider that materialism is not merely in the things around us, but also in something we would not expect, visionary clairvoyance. For this reason it is even more dangerous than a blatant materialism. Because one is not able to fully pierce it and recognise it as materialism.

Adriana Koulias One must make a study of her work to come to an individual understanding Willem. I can only give indications and these should never be taken as authority or one condemns me to the same fate! Everyone has to find their own way through it and see how it feels for them. My hope is to inspire enough people to read her work, energetically, critically, scientifically - and to come to their own conclusions - not to take sides, but to understand.

Adriana Koulias Well...it could be a remnant of a previous life, surfacing now without much effort - hence atavistic.

You know, the dragon of materialism is very strong, but there is always one spot in which he is vulnerable - the spot we access through thinking. 

So I say: Do not get too attached to whether some one's visions are true or not. Focus on how a person comes to their visions - if you can't verify what they see, verify what they do to see what they see - then you can make a distinction between mysticism and Anthroposophy.

Adriana Koulias One could see it that way Clara, but we are speaking esoterically, in the sense that images in which one cannot participate livingly are always dead. There is no emotion attached to it. It is simply true. They leave a soul hollowed out. It hypnotises. In movies we are given images and symbols that work powerfully in the soul. I'm not saying one should avoid them, and they are works of art, but I am saying, one should call a spade a spade.
These work below the level of thinking and can manipulate.
Years ago a boy in my son's class took as his major project the task of discovering whether film had ever been inspirative in the sense of changing human perceptions in a positive way. 

At the end of a year - he reported that he could not find one single instance.

That is because film is a reflector of the world - not an inspirer of living experience. 

Just like a mirror image of you is not you. It doesn't live. It is a dead picture of you. You are the living being.


  • Adriana Koulias This does not mean we should do away with mirrors! They have their function as long as you know that the image is not the being! Otherwise you are deluding yourself. It is the same with these images. They are ghosts, spectres...not real. They enter us and if we don't acknowledge them they deaden us.
  • Adriana Koulias Good night dear friend. One merely has to look at a cinema full of people looking up at the screen - mesmerised. This is a hard fact. But do you want to take the red pill or the blue pill - do we wish to know the truth or continue to be mesmerised?
Adriana Koulias I too observed the wonderful interplay of water and sun on the bay this morning, and yet, sometimes we must also concern ourselves with these issues that are painful and uncomfortable, on behalf of others, because as Rudolf Steiner says: 

'Whenever people give way to fatalism instead of making decisions through their own power of judgment, they show their inclination to the Eighth Sphere. And everything that passes in this way into the Eighth Sphere disappears from Earth evolution, does not go forward in the right way with Earth evolution.'

Adriana Koulias John - to the later - haha! To the former - That is very kind of Paul to say.

Hello Frank, to answer your question. I have a friend in London who is a very open minded Anthroposophist and she called me here in Australia feeling very disturbed after going to one of JVH lectures at Forest Rowe where all that I have said above occurred. I trust her and respect her deeply. She was not making a judgement just puzzled and concerned. That was some years ago around 2009, I think. Perhaps things are different now. As to the black magic aspect - I am doing a lot of research at the moment on Occult Movements of the 19th century, particularly with regards to the 8th sphere, mesmerism, somnambulism, mediumism, spiriticism etc because I'm writing about this in my new book Ghost Club and the Devil's Alphabet. So you see, it is not from reading Prokofieff! I only heard in passing that he had mentioned it, coincidentally with my research.

Adriana Koulias Rudolf Steiner says this Marcelo:

'Michael's radiant rule will be followed by a dark, terrible age that starts about 2300. Together with Michael, a dark God has begun his rule — the God Mammon. For occultism Mammon isn't just the God of money. He's the leader of all base, black forces. And his hosts attack men's bodies and souls to corrode and ruin them. There's a lot of talk about bacterial today, and they influence a lot of things. In future they'll increase in a terrifying way, and many human bodies will waste away from terrible diseases and plagues. The brand of sin will be stamped on men's bodies for all to see. Another archangel — Oriphiel — will rule then. He must come to shake men up to their true vocation through terrible tortures. So that this can happen in the right way a small group of people must be prepared today to spread esoteric life in the black age 400–600 years from now.

One under Michael's rule who feels the urge to participate in spiritual life is called upon to serve archangel Michael and to learn under him so that someday he'll be mature enough to also serve the terrible Oriphiel in the right way. A sacrifice is demanded from those who want to dedicate themselves to a higher life. One should only want to receive spiritual life and experience an awakening if one later wants to use this to put oneself, one's will and everything one has in the service of mankind only.
In four to six centuries the small group of men who are being prepared today will serve the God Oriphiel so that mankind can be saved. If in that age men wanted to be spiritual leaders who hadn't been prepared to stand fast in all storms and to resist Mammon's hosts, they wouldn't be able to serve the God Oriphiel in the right way, and mankind would not be lifted out of their misery. So in order to do it we must work very earnestly now to fulfill our tasks then.

But when dark powers rage most terribly, the brightest light also shines. Oriphiel has ruled before. That was the time when Christ appeared on earth. Bad powers of degeneration and decadence were ruling everywhere on earth then. And the human race could only be shaken higher by terrible means. Oriphiel is called the archangel of wrath, who purifies mankind with a strong hand.

The story in the Bible where Christ swings a scourge to chase the money changers out of the temple has a deep meaning. Back when things were darkest on earth, Christ appeared as the savior of mankind. Oriphiel's reign ended 109 years after Christ's appearance, and he was replaced by Anael. Then came Zachariel, then Raphael; Samael ruled during the Renaissance and Gabriel from the 16th century until 1879. Then Michael began to rule, and circa 2300 Oriphiel, the terrible archangel of wrath, will be ruling things. And as once before, spiritual light will shine into darkness brightly and radiantly. Christ will appear again on earth, although in a different form than before. We're called upon to receive him and to serve him.'
http://wn.rsarchive.org/.../English/UNK1998/19071205e01.html


Adriana Koulias Dear Frank, perhaps it doesn't happen in Germany, but my friend is not one to exaggerate, in fact she is an Australian, down to earth as they come and very very open minded, intelligent and forthright. She was in fact instrumental in that petition some years ago for the AGM in Dornach on the side of the supporters of JVH! So I trust her words. She was very disturbed at the atmosphere surrounding JVH and the unquestioning way people held everything she said. Since then I have heard this from others. Though, as I said, I have not met her in person or seen her lecture. This to me was a side issue, that had more to do with the people around her than JVH herself. It is how she works, her methods which she states herself - not even what she sees etc - which I am questioning. As I said, there is no doubt in my mind that she is seeing visions, I don't say she is being dishonest, and although I haven't seen her stigmata, I have no reason to believe it is not real. It is her way of working which in itself is a confirmation of the stigmata and the visions.

You see one can start from the work, quite dispassionately, and work one's way up to the person, and one sees that it is quite correct that someone who works in such a way would have visions and a stigmata!

In my view one does not work from the stigmata and visions down to the work, but the other way around - then one is less likely to run into difficulty with 'feelings' getting in the way.

Adriana Koulias Dear Frank, I agree with you, there is an element that would desire stagnation in the society. Perish the thought!

And yes, this particular Australian I assure you is not meek in her condescension of the accepted line - so I took her words to heart. Still as I say, this was not the basis of my observations, as these are all subjective. I was more interested in the method. Not the hype. I asked myself why so much hype? And this question directed me to the method every time. The method is both responsible on one side for the hype and on the other for the phenomena - Blavatsky was also called a phenomena!

And Blavatsky was an important person! Still what she saw was flawed and R.Steiner had to correct much of it. Yet without her we would have no Anthroposophy! It is important to remember Anthroposophy has moved on from Theosophy - it has grown out of it. It should not grow back into it again.

There is no question in my mind that it is a phenomena. And that is precisely my concern!

Also my concern is not for someone going beyond Rudolf Steiner - this is my very hope that we might all go beyond him - my concern is for the 'how'! The path is important, where you end up depends on which path you take. Not all paths lead to the same place! That is the mistake many people make. One can certainly go to the spiritual via drugs or even via mediumistic methods but it will not be the same spiritual world - it is spiritual however, and that is the greatest danger - not being able to make the distinction between one place and another!




  • Adriana Koulias I would make a tentative suggestion to you dear Frank that this recent JVH illness and Prokofieff's illness of late have to do with the polarity created around the two. There is no question in my mind that unkind thoughts can lead to illness on both sides and this is terribly regrettable. It is important that though we can look critically at a person's work that we do so with kind thoughts and real compassion. So saying at every moment I think of JVH - I picture her in my mind, I imagine myself smiling and hugging her. I imagine us as friends. This does not prevent me from seeing her clearly and what is happening around her. I do the same for Prokofieff, whom I truly love, having met him and seen how humble and lovely he is - yes it's true! Not many realise this but it is so. I take this very seriously

    'If we allow ourselves to be filled with the reality of the spirit, then, ultimately, we shall have to learn to acknowledge the dignity of our fellow human beings. We accept the personal side of another's nature because, as human beings endowed with a sentient soul, we do not permit ourselves to harm intentionally the outer being of another. We would also not permit ourselves to attack them in the realm of their personal freedom. But we are still very far from being able to extend our tolerance to the innermost depths of another human soul, because we still have little ability to know- which is most theoretical, rather than practical- that feelings and thoughts, indeed everything of a spiritual nature, are quite real...people do not so really acknowledge that if I send someone a bad thought it is also something real. We have to become aware that the bad thought that I confront a person with, a thought of antipathy or hate, acts on his or her soul in the same way as a hit in the face.'

    Let us keep this in mind dear friends, for I believe the society has an objective karma to bear with relation to both JVH and SOP. It is time to become clear, because unconsciousness is what leads to what we have created.
  • Adriana Koulias Having said this, I send JVH all my good and kind thoughts, as I do SOP. And I would urge us all to do the same. The way to stand firmly in the middle is to see things clearly and consciously. This would help both human beings undergoing their own karmic struggles enormously.



  • Adriana Koulias I was thinking the other day - what would Madame Blavatsky be doing now if she was reincarnated? I think she might be a man, a clear thinker, and one who is severely opposed to phenomena of any kind! Please don't misunderstand me, God forbid anyone should think I was making allusions to Prokofieff! Not at all! But it is instructive to think this way.

    I think we always come back rallying against our inner mistakes, which we see outwardly in the world! The judge is after all, as R.Steiner says, likely to be responsible for the criminal who stands in his courtroom. One cannot exist without the other. So saying if we create Anthroposophy in the image of materialism in our souls - we should expect its opposite to manifest outwardly as physical phenomena! Just some thoughts!



Adriana Koulias 'Spiritual Science avoids false occultism in that it applies the ever-increasing intellectual capacity now developing in humanity to the establishment of a science for which more intellect is required than hitherto. The nature of Spiritual Science inevitably demands greater intellectual effort than people have been accustomed to apply. Men like to delude themselves in this respect. Were they really to apply the intellectual capacity at their command today, they would understand Spiritual Science. Through the strong intellectual efforts that are necessary in Spiritual Science, Scylla is avoided and mastered on the one side. The spiritual scientist is well aware why people are disinclined to embark on the study of Spiritual Science. It is because they are too lazy to apply enough intellectual effort. That is why I spoke just now of laziness.
On the other side, the pitfall of false mysticism must be avoided by ceasing to grovel within the purely inner life. This tendency to live and brood continually within one's own soul must be eliminated. The soul must come out of itself and look with eyes of love at the deeper connections manifesting in life outside.' Rudolf Steiner.

Adriana Koulias My concern lies with her mention of a sensory involvement in historical events to the point of feeling the ground beneath her feet - why not say super sensory? It would interest me John to know whether Rudolf Steiner, ever says that one has a 'sensory' experience of the Akasha - 'gaining knowledge' this is quite different, to my mind. Yes it is true we can transform our perceptions, through clear, trained thinking into knowledge that is faithful to truth and reality. One can be transported to other epochs and experience them but I question whether JVH has done so by being objective as she claims and not subjective as I feel lives in the gestures of her words rather than in the words themselves.

'What is the Akasha Chronicle? We can form the truest conception of it by realising that what comes to pass on our earth makes a lasting impression upon certain delicate essences, an impression which can be discovered by a seer who has attained Initiation. It is not an ordinary but a living Chronicle. Suppose a human being lived in the first century after Christ; what he thought, felt and willed in those days, what passed into deeds — this is not obliterated but preserved in this delicate essence. The seer can behold it-not as if it were recorded in a history book, but as it actually happened. How a man moved, what he did, a journey he took-it can all be seen in these spiritual pictures; the impulses of will, the feelings, the thoughts, can also be seen. But we must not imagine that these pictures are images of the physical personalities. That is not the case. To take a simple example. — When a man moves his hand, his will pervades the moving hand and it is this force of will that can be seen in the Akasha Chronicle. What is spiritually active in us and has flowed into the Physical, is there seen in the Spiritual.'http://wn.rsarchive.org/.../English/RSP1966/19070528p01.html




Adriana Koulias There is a hint here. The force of will is seen - what is this force of will? It is the negative image of the physical movement. That is how one knows one has seen the Akasha objectively.

"When the seer directs his gaze to Caesar, he actually sees the person of Caesar in action, phantom-like, as though he were standing before him, speaking with him.'




  • Adriana Koulias The thing to remember is that the experience of the Akasha is not 'sensory' in the sense that one sees images like a movie- one experiences what lives inside-out. Not the outer world of the senses with physical like experiences - but rather, due to the experience being in higher Devachan - as if one were looking at a photographic plate. One observes feelings and will and thoughts as external events.
  • Adriana Koulias One cannot help being one with the pain one is seeing. Why not? Because perceiving in the Akasha requires an immersion of the 'I' Objectively into its substance. Feelings will and thoughts are known intuitively. This is compassion in the highest sense. Stigmata is not required for one to have such an experience in our times. 

    As I have said before John, A Christian Initiation is not the question here, what is the question is whether or not it is Anthroposophical to do spiritual Research in this way in our times. Bearing in mind the nature of the akasha and the grave errors that can be made there if one is not completely and scrupulously objective - and a Christian Initiation is, by its very nature and its descent into the etheric body (hell) - subjective.


  • Adriana Koulias 'The Akasha Chronicle is to be found in Devachan, but it extends downwards into the astral world....' Rudolf Steiner.

    'Thus in Devachan we find four regions whose counter-images on the physical plane are Earth, Water, Air and Fire.' Rudolf Steiner.
  • Adriana Koulias 'To devachanic vision he appears like this: what the physical senses perceive, vanishes, and light flashes up in the sphere immediately around the physical man, where otherwise there is a void; in the middle, where the physical body is, there is an empty, shadowy space — like a kind of negative.' Rudolf Steiner.
  • Adriana Koulias If only enough Anthroposophists understood how different the experience of the Akasha is from the sensory experience - there would be no question at all about what JVH sees and how she is accessing the spiritual world. But one should be able to understand this without having the experience just through thought.
  • Adriana Koulias It is a 'living' experience - but not in the sense of a sensory, mirror-like image. It is a living experience because one experiences the element of life, what is inside - not death - what is outside.


  • Adriana Koulias 'By reading such mystics as Saint Theresa or Mechtild of Magdeburg, beautiful images are evoked, and from a certain point of view this is justified. One can enter into a truly devotional mood before these images. For someone who begins to understand what I have just described to you, precisely this kind of mystical visions cease to be what they very often are for the nebulous types of mystic: When someone comes to real inner vision, not in an abnormal way (as is the case with such mystics) but by the development of his cognitive faculty as I have described it, then he learns not only to describe a momentary aspect as Mechtild of Magdeburg, Saint Theresa and others do, but he learns to recognize what the real interior of the human organization is. If one wants to have real knowledge and not mystical intoxication, one must strive toward the truth and put it in place of their mist-shrouded images. (Of course, this may seem prosaic to the nebulous mystic.) When this is accomplished, the mirror drops away and one gains a knowledge, an inner vision of the lungs, diaphragm, liver, and stomach. One learns to experience the human organization inwardly. It is clear that Mechtild of Magdeburg and Saint Theresa also viewed the interior, but in their case this happened through certain abnormal conditions and their vision of the human interior was shrouded in all manner of mists. What they describe is the fog which the true spiritual investigator penetrates.
    To a person who is incapable of accepting such things, it would naturally be a shock if, let's say hypothetically, a lofty chapter out of Mechtild were read and the spiritual researcher then told him: Yes, that is really what one sees when one comes to an inner vision of the liver or the kidneys. It is really so. For anyone who would rather it were otherwise, I can only say: That is the way it happens to be. On the other hand, for someone who has gained insight into the whole matter, this is for him the beginning of a true relation to the secrets of world existence. For now he learns the origin of what constitutes our human organization and at what depths they are to be recognized. He clearly recognizes how little we know of the human liver, the human kidneys, not to speak of other organs, when we merely cut open a corpse — or for that matter, when we cut open the living human organism in an operation — and get just the one-sided view of our organism.'http://wn.rsarchive.org/.../English/MP1991/19210322p01.html

  • Adriana Koulias As I said, JVH experiences are valid, but in other contexts, not in the context which she and others purport them to be.
  • Adriana Koulias My point is, one could apply the above to JVH - then one would be on the right track.


Adriana Koulias Yes and in that context they are supremely important experiences. The trouble only comes when the 'Visions' are taken as the important experiences, rather than a 'reading' of the subjective experience as a window into the inner organs.

Adriana Koulias One can read all of JVH as a journey through her inner organs and to a memory of the past, but it is not an objective perception of the Akasha. it is a memory tied to organs - a subjective memory. So the journey being subjective and not objective cannot be called 'Anthroposophy'.

Adriana Koulias The mystical and magical are transformed in Anthroposophy by way of inner Meditation (mystical) and outer spiritual perception (magical) into the modern Rosicrucian Path.



  • Adriana Koulias In Anthroposophy Mysticism is surpassed by meditation - the inner work on the soul - creating images - which then so strengthens the soul that it is able to freely rise up to meet the spiritual world while maintaining complete consciousness and control in the physical body.


Adriana Koulias One then needs to study closely what the founder of Anthroposophy said about it:
'All the movements which arise among humanity in a justifiable way must indeed work together as in one organic whole, but this working together must take place in the right way. In the human organism it is quite impossible for the blood system to become nervous system, or for the nervous system to become blood system. The several systems have to work in the human organism distinct and separate from one another; it is precisely then that they will work together in the right way. It is therefore necessary that the Anthroposophical Society, with its content Anthroposophy, shall remain unweakened in any way by the other Movement; and that one who understands what the Anthroposophical Movement is, should — not in any presumptuous, arrogant sense, but as one who reckons with the tasks of the age — be able to see that those who have once found their way into the Anthroposophical Society do not need a religious renewal. For what would the Anthroposophical Society be if it first needed religious renewal!' Rudolf Steiner.
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  • Adriana Koulias Dear Clara, one must understand what R.Steiner means by 'demands of the age'. This is often very different from what many believe. The 'age' is guided in our times by the Archai - Michael. The demand of the age is to find spirituality - find the spirit, by way of clear logical thinking that leaves person free. One could say in a sense that it is to turn thinking into a higher sense or feeling which perceives the spirit.
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  • Adriana Koulias It is actualised through each individual working in freedom to develop thinking as a path to the spirit and coming together in harmony for the good of the organism. But we have adversarial forces, and people at all different levels of development and on top of that karma. So it is human and it is therefore on the way to perfection.
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  • Adriana Koulias A doctor must know the difference between blood and nerves if he is not to kill his patient. So to do Anthroposophists need to know the difference between clear thinking as a path, and mysticism. It amazes me that this is an issue at all - but it just goes to show how much human beings really dislike clarity.
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Adriana Koulias No, as to your words above, dear Clara, I did not state that JVH is a Black Magician but rather that the inspiration for working below the level of consciousness on others is analogous to that which Rudolf Steiner says is the inspiration for Black Magic. A way of working on the subconscious of the human being without first appealing to their intellect. I have stated my case, flawed as it is. I have spent hours answering questions and now I think I need to leave it up to the individual to find his or her answer to this question. Anything, as I have said, that works on us without our conscious knowledge for the gain of a person or group be their spiritual or physical (and we have this all around us) can be considered a form of black magic. As I said advertising is subliminal, in politics it is called incremental. Mysticism in our time is fraught with dangers. Only the experienced occultist can tell the truth from the lie, the objective from the subjective and so it is dangerous for the non clairvoyant because they cannot use their thinking life to penetrate it. Individuals make up society, government, culture, nations and countries. Each individual is certainly responsible for the state of society and for the state of the Anthroposophical Society. I am an individual and I can only speak for myself, my actions and my responsibility. Each person must do the same whether they are in the Society or out of it in the world. Anthroposophia is not only for Anthroposophists, she is a World being.
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  • Adriana Koulias I take personal responsibility for what I have said and I have stayed here a long time to answer questions so that no misunderstandings are made. Beyond that I have taken on the objective karma of my words and their effect on people so they are protected. Finally I don't agree that it is a cult dear Clara but I have liked your comment simply because I know that you are always seeking earnestly and I support your desire for consciousness.
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  • Adriana Koulias Dear friends, for me anyone can be an Anthroposophist, their religious beliefs are never a question nor should they be! Every religion is understood and valued as wisdom acquired by the human being related to consciousness, standpoint, epoch etc. But how a person works with Anthroposophy many not be Anthroposophical.

    The trouble comes when they purport that their work is Anthroposophical and gather around them supporters for their way of working. Herein lies the entire crux of the matter. 

    Many may argue - why bother? Why not just leave everyone to work how they like and call it Anthroposophy? This does not fit with the ideal of brotherhood to point out the difference between mysticism and Anthroposophy! Why nit pick? Live and let live! I guess this goes to the very foundation of our work with and relationship to, Anthroposophy. How deeply we have studied it and understood it and worked with it in every day life and come to acquire our own spiritual understandings because this allows us to become clear about what Anthroposophy is. But clarity is not generally a comfortable experience nor does it come easily. 

    John the Baptist rallied against the 'old' vipers - those who could not accept the new but stuck to the old way of working - why?

    Because with the old way they would not have found Christ in the physical world for themselves. 

    He was a solitary voice in the wilderness and suffered greatly for speaking out about 'distinctions'. These distinctions in his time required Clairvoyant abilities, he saw through the eyes of his Angel and prepared others. 

    In our times distinctions regarding what is the appropriate method of working is a part of the challenge of acquiring consciousness and clarity individually and freely. Rudolf Steiner, the founder of Anthroposophy called for consciousness and clarity! 

    He called this consciousness and clarity the modern Rosicrucian/Anthroposophical path - the appropriate path for our age, and the distinction about what is not Anthroposophy can only be indicated by those who have found it - finding these distinctions is the task of each individual who follows this path through thinking. 

    Such distinctions must be made! They cannot be avoided. 

    Why?

    Because it is the task of our age to find the path through thinking that becomes a form of higher feeling. This is the ONLY legitimate and conscious way to Christ in the etheric world in our times. This may sound exclusionist but the reason it is the only legitimate path for our times lies in the fact that it is the safest way and that it is leaves ourselves and others free. This is the Anthroposophical path. Other paths have their own contexts, epochs and tasks - which are no less valid, but not in the context of our times and Anthroposophy.

    Anthroposophy is the only way out of 'blind belief' that visionary clairvoyance requires and into true faith that 'Sees' for itself without relying on an external John the Baptist to point out the distinction!

    Instead, I would suggest to you that we must find the internal voice of conscience, the internal John the Baptist!

    In many ways there is no greater danger than this for humanity in my view: that it does not find Christ in the etheric world in a free and clear way, but finds a materialised image of him in the physical world through the eyes of seers whose visions we cannot ourselves distinguish through clear thinking and consciousness. Dear friends how can we, who know so much be seduced by these things!

    Those who see the danger (there are many who don't speak out for fear of retribution) despair and feel a moral obligation to make the distinction clear in themselves.

    May all of us find the consciousness/conscience to be capable of making these distinctions, so that we can call things by their proper names, for the sake of the world, Anthroposophy and the being of Christ who awaits our conscious experience of him!

Adriana Koulias Piero Cammerinesi you said: 'I believe that her (JVH) current presence on Earth and within the borders of Anthroposophical movement is not a coincidence but an event of particular importance.'

I agree with you. For me there is no question of invalida
ting her visions or her person - no question that hers is a Christian initiation and I am certain she is a lovely, kind and spiritual person.

The question is here, what does her presence in Anthroposophy teach us about ourselves? For me she is a call for consciousness and I am grateful that her presence has stimulated me to find my own consciousness of the difference between Mysticism and Anthroposophy and why the two polarities cannot exist together without struggle - like oil and water, because simply they are not compatible in essence as I see it.



  • Adriana Koulias Piero my concern is this:

    'First, that the spiritual world exists, and in fact breaks – with the stigmata and even more with her not eating or drinking with the most elementary rules of matter, like our body that needs food and water.' 


    Rudolf Steiner expressly says the opposite: 

    'It is important to know this, for there is a tendency among most people, indeed among many of our friends too, not to leave the normal form of consciousness at any price but to remain in it and to bring the spiritual world into the ordinary consciousness: that is to say, not to let the Ego emerge but to bring the spiritual world into the Ego. 

    It is knowledge of the spiritual world that should be brought into the ordinary consciousness, not the spiritual world itself. If you faithfully practise what is contained in the books mentioned, you will bring yourself into conditions through which you will experience the spiritual world, conditions through which experiences deriving from that world can be brought into the sphere of the normal consciousness.'
  • Adriana Koulias And he says this:

    "The whole of Spiritual Science in the form it has been presented is within the grasp of the intellectual capacities existing in men at the present time. Spiritual Science cannot, it is true, be discovered by these capacities, but it
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Dear Friends,
Following from our discussions on sense free thinking, I thought I would propose a study of the dangers of Visionary Clairvoyance as are expressed very clearly by Rudolf Steiner in this lecture. It is a lecture, I believe, that should be read and understood in our times. We do speak about materialism quite a lot but we often don't realise that materialism can come by way of Clairvoyance and that is is even more dangerous than materialism that we can see and judge as material! I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter after reading this lecture.
http://wn.rsarchive.org/.../English/RSP1973/19151018p01.html'Indications of a path into the spiritual world must not be given blindly, above all not as the result of rapturous fanaticism. That is why the exhortation has again and again had to be made among you, my dear friends, that it is urgently necessary not to allow yourselves to be duped by what leads to the Eighth Sphere. And if again and again it has been said that more caution should be exercised in the domain of visionary clairvoyance, that validity should be ascribed only to that clairvoyance which, in leading into the higher worlds, excludes Lucifer and Ahriman — then it will be seen that everything capable of bringing the soul into connection with the Eighth Sphere must be rejected. If the tendency to shackle the free will and remain in the domain of visionary clairvoyance comes into evidence time and again, this is a sign that opposition is being put in the way of the clear-cut endeavour of our Movement, owing to the propensity to fetter the free will in visionary clairvoyance.
How happy some people would have been if only they could have shackled the free will! This was a symptom of how many of the traits prevailing in the other Movements spoken of here were being imported into our own Movement. It was not from Blavatsky, nor was it from outside, but by our Members themselves that breaches were constantly being made in what it is our aim to achieve. Such breaches were and are being made because announcements of visionary clairvoyants are greeted with rapturous wonder! This was an expression of perverse love for the Eighth Sphere. When one or another person has insisted: Dr. Steiner has said that such and such ought to be done, then this means that such and such a person wants to deliver up the free will to foreign influence, to let this will be determined, not by himself, but by someone else; he wants to make someone else responsible for instilling into the physical world a willingness to allow the free will to be fettered. Whenever people give way to fatalism instead of making decisions through their own power of judgment, they show their inclination to the Eighth Sphere. And everything that passes in this way into the Eighth Sphere disappears from Earth evolution, does not go forward in the right way with Earth evolution.
We have come to a point where it behoves us to pay heed to these things — that is why they have been brought forward. We have come to a point where we must pay attention to the needle in the scales which oscillates all the time between the exoteric and the esoteric. The principle in esotericism observed among us is that, fundamentally speaking, the occult life in its reality cannot be expressed by means of words. Things are said sometimes in an esoteric, sometimes in an exoteric form, and these are, as it were, two different dialects of one inexpressible language. And if in his arrogance a man wants to substitute the exoteric for the esoteric, he forgets that they are two dialects of an inexpressible language and that everything depends upon how he is able to hold the balance between the two. But what still remains between the two must be regarded as an inexpressible language—there is always something that cannot be directly expressed.'
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Adriana Koulias Hello Celio. It is a rogue sphere established around the separation of the old moon from earth by Lucifer and Ahriman. It is called the eighth sphere because there should only be seven: Saturn, Sun, Moon, Earth, Jupiter, Venus, Vulcan. Into this rogue sphere is taken anything which occurs in human beings unconsciously - pictures that enter us to become thoughts about the physical material world. Particularly sought are materialisations of spiritual concepts. So for instance if one gives a material representation of the spiritual world, or one only reads about spiritual things intellectually without really living into them - whenever the will is seized below the level of the conscious threshold this is seized. 

Television, film, advertising, symbols, communications that can't be verified by thinking all these things reach below the level of our consciousness and allow us to be manipulated. 

We are surrounded by pictures outside us, symbols etc, that we can't fully digest inwardly because we are bombarded with images, these things that sink down into our subconscious are seized by Ahriman and Lucifer, because images and thoughts are spiritual in nature and they become the 'slaves' of adversarial powers.

Where is the 8th sphere in our times? It is now on earth - electricity and magnetism and the power of gravity/atom - is all around us - we are living in the sub-earthly ethers, the 8th sphere with our bodies, only our head is free, but because of this, the battle is all the harder in our heads, the battle to seize the pictures we see and make and the thoughts we have to drag us down completely into sub nature.

The physical moon in the night sky is a counter balance. To this degenerated moon.


Adriana Koulias Dear Cello I love Sufi! Of course you can add me! Ahriman inspires cold thinking, he lives in the nerves and senses and that physical Aspect of the Astral body but he longs to enter the blood and he does so through the intellect and thinking. He inspires fear and hatred of the spirit - the future. The double connected to him is an etheric being created out of elemental beings and forces which have been trapped by Ahriman in the human body by way of perception and thought and which connects by way of our blood to our nerves and our astral bodies electricity and magnetism from the sub-earthly realms. Neurosis is an Ahrimanic trait. At his best he has freed us from the compelling nature of Lucifer's pictures.

Lucifer inspires pictures - the pictures of the world which we take into ourselves belong to him. Love of Beauty and ardour, passion are connected to Lucifer whose realm is the blood but whose desire it is to reach the astral body again and he does so through the Sentient Soul. He inspires a desire to flee from earthly things, to live in the past. Depression is a Luciferic trait - everything to do with heredity - sexuality. At his best he frees us from the cold starkness of Ahriman's thoughts.


Adriana Koulias Wow Clara, I sense passion in your tone! Dear friend, consider that I have never stated that one should distance oneself from the world - quite the opposite, as you very well know! 

It is a hard thing to realise that there are forces working upon us from every angle, yes from the inside out and the outside in! That does not mean we run away from them, we merely become conscious of them and this in itself is a great step forward. 

The truth is, every time we breathe in we take the world into us, every time we breathe out we take ourselves into the world, there is no question of running away from technology, to think we can is really to imagine we can pull ourselves up by our pigtails. Technology is here to stay and yes it is here to be spiritualised, not humanised - that is the great difference. A humanisation of technology implies that we live under its yoke, while a spiritualisation implies we redeem it through our spiritual, artistic and moral natures. 

But if we don't become conscious of it, it works pervasively and invasively on our instinctive life because it has a kinship with it. And it is this kinship that we have to become more conscious of! Consider how violent video games and films affect those who watch it? Consider that only lately a man was murdered after an argument after seeing the new Film 300. Passions are unconsciously accessed when we are sitting passively and taking in pictures we have not created ourselves. So what does this mean? Does this mean I never go to the cinema? No. It will now inspire me to go to the film to see for myself what in it could have inspired such passion and hatred. There is a reason that heavy metal is associated with Neo Nazism and cults. By the same token one can take Wagner and do the same thing with that beautiful music as Hitler did. 

We have to learn to become dispassionate observers and thinkers while maintaining our compassion. Then we might be able to learn more about how pervasive technology is on our instinctive natures and how this affects ALL our social interactions and our culture and political life too in our times. It informs our art and our interaction with nature.

I do agree that words have the ability to enliven, kill and even wound and that even our breath is able to do it too and our thoughts! But it is our inner work that can enable us to overcome what lives instinctively in us by taming the animal. That is how we find Christ! That is what is meant by the lion will sit with the lamb. We tame our passions and then we can sit next to Christ.

As I have always said, we can't move forward into the world without first working on the soul. NO social, cultural or political development can work without first knowing our own instinctive life and how it is triggered and at least becoming conscious of how we project our fears, hatred and doubts onto others and what they say.

Inner work is needed everywhere. Human beings are human beings and compassion must be experienced in the heart for their strivings and yes even their mistakes! But never unconsciousness! Because human dignity requires it - and love demands it!

Our striving for consciousness is the way to humility. My mother used to always say you can't point a finger at someone without having three fingers pointed at yourself andy this is true. In this sense it is a sacrifice.

My concerns about Judith Von Halle come not from passion, but from compassion which has grown out of a fully reasoned thinking - as far as I am capable of it. And as I said I am not infallible and I leave myself open for the fact that I might be wrong and yet there are times we have to share our work with our friends - hopefully without expecting a backlash! If we can't share our work and thoughts without feeling attacked personally and this goes for JVH too, then there is no opportunity for a social life at all. Here on the internet one can see how quickly passions can flare the moment something is said that is not in agreement with someone's thinking. This would not happen in quite the same way in real life - that is the pervasiveness of technology and I am starting to believe that a true interaction is impossible here - let alone in the real world. 

You said:

'Anthroposophists bypass the individual and the Spirit within each, directing that realm to the Christ implying it is in every individual so shyly that if anyone dares say so, they are probably expelled, leaving the Christ out of the individual and pretending followers look outside themselves to the Christ that is owned by anthroposophy, so that anthroposophy can get paid not only money but submission to it while the adepts get to know Christ....'

My answer to you is this: Anthroposophy is available to all who wish to find it. It does not require money, dear friend, no one is coerced to stay in it or to join. No payment is necessary unless you want to become a member of the society - and even then you can pay a nominal amount - say $20.00 as my mother does. Any one can read Anthroposophy and become involved in the movement without paying fees - by reading the FREE Archival material found on the internet. One can read Anthroposophy without ever meeting another Anthroposophist and when Anthroposophy is studied correctly it can never become an authority because it is based on the individual and it is founded on Christ who is a friend. 

There is no submission to authority required, only the inner authority - the inner moral voice that speaks. In Anthroposophy an outer authority can only exist while ever the individual has not developed the inner one. Our fear or love for outer authority stems from our own weakness. And this is something each individual must strive to strengthen and it is the path of Anthroposophy to show how this can be done through consciousness of the higher self. Mysticism relies on the authority of a 'seer' and so it is not Anthroposophy in its essence. 

That does not mean mysticism has no validity - it means it has no validity when it is called Anthroposophy. Saying a car is a table invalidates the car and the table. One must make clear distinctions. The validity in mysticism relies on those around a mystic being completely conscious so that they can discern what is objective and what is subjective. Then it may be of benefit to the world.

What in truth is an adept - an initiate? To become an initiate is merely to begin something as the word implies. What we gather from observing Rudolf Steiner's life and other high initiates of the world is this: that one can expect that the higher the initiate is, the more humble he or she will be with respect to their abilities past lives etc. The higher the initiate is, the less his/her words cause division or can sting and kill. The higher the initiate is, the greater the consciousness of the freedom of others because consciousness IS love and the highest representative of love is Christ. 

Yours are strong words and you are entitled to say them but are they founded in the truth? You must answer that for yourself dear friend.



Adriana Koulias Ah but my dear friend! The important point is this: find Christ outside yourself in the other - first! That is the key to all true social interaction. Otherwise if you look inside yourself first, you will mostly likely only find the lower self you get lost in your own delusions of grandeur - this is the great danger of mysticism, because it can lead to great egoism and to cults. Love that finds Christ in nature and in the other is less bound to the lower ego because it is selfless. Our higher self is outside us in this case my friend, because we push it out objectively in order to see. One then finds Christ in the other and at the same time sees the Christ which is in the self only he is now experienced completely objectively. We must become mirrors which reflect Christ to one another - otherwise we become Narcissus staring at our own reflections.



  • Adriana Koulias Cults are a relic of the past, of a time when the sentient soul or feeling soul needed to be guided by a person who had a connection to God - priest or a king - a crown is still a crown even if it is on a pope! A crown simply signifies that the person wearing it (gold) has a connection to the spirit. A cult is merely a gathering of people around a person who purports to have a connection to God that the others don't have, but since the mystery of Golgotha we all have God within us and our intellect makes us free enough from outer authority to find our own crowns our own connections to God - become our own priests and kings. In our time the lower self is what activates the cult - it is a cult of personality. The higher self - the self activated by thinking and feeling and will that is removed from the instinctive life knows that each has Christ in them and so must be left completely free. To coerce another even subtly by accessing their will through feeling is therefore - anti-christian.
  • Adriana Koulias For instance -JVH states that Christ speaks through her and that her stigmata is a sign. She has come to save Anthroposophy thereby. Now, an initiate in our times, would never say this because it leaves people unfree - it appeals to their 'feeling' for authority. Christ may very well speak through JVH, but saying it demonstrates a level of subjectivity. It is like Annie Besant. Before the elections for president of the Thesophical Society she said the masters had personally told her that she must be the president. People could vote, but the masters had spoken. This does not leave people free, you see. It creates an intolerable situation where freedom is impossible. So If a person says Christ speaks through them and they have seen all the events of Palestine etc, and if you combine this with physical 'proof' such as a stigmata - it leaves people unfree - even without their knowledge that they are unfree. It works subtly.
  • Adriana Koulias Why does this happen when we have been taught to think critically, clearly? It is because in thinking one can make an argument for or against anything - that is the freedom in it and also its pitfall if one remains in the intellect alone. Thinking has to reach a higher level - one of higher feeling which becomes will, in order to discern the true nature of the mystical spiritual experience - and unfortunately we have only made a few steps towards this kind of intuitive discernment. For this reason, all such mystical experiences should be taken with a grain of salt - in other words, one must use one's common sense. If the common sense does not find a footing - then it is dangerous to take it in as a 'truth'.
Adriana Koulias 'Spiritual Science avoids false occultism in that it applies the ever-increasing intellectual capacity now developing in humanity to the establishment of a science for which more intellect is required than hitherto. The nature of Spiritual Science inevitably demands greater intellectual effort than people have been accustomed to apply. Men like to delude themselves in this respect. Were they really to apply the intellectual capacity at their command today, they would understand Spiritual Science. Through the strong intellectual efforts that are necessary in Spiritual Science, Scylla is avoided and mastered on the one side. The spiritual scientist is well aware why people are disinclined to embark on the study of Spiritual Science. It is because they are too lazy to apply enough intellectual effort. That is why I spoke just now of laziness.
On the other side, the pitfall of false mysticism must be avoided by ceasing to grovel within the purely inner life. This tendency to live and brood continually within one's own soul must be eliminated. The soul must come out of itself and look with eyes of love at the deeper connections manifesting in life outside.' Rudolf Steiner.



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